TLDR: How much license of your code is worth when Squarepusher/twinaphex doesn’t like you or your project? Not much.
Wednesday, 2018-06-27
[15:54] Autechre: by KugelKurt
[15:54] Autechre: https://www.reddit.com/r/emulation/comments/80diyb/vulkan_applications_enabled_on_apple_platforms/duyhurm/
[15:54] Autechre:
A "MAME Developer" tag does not make you a professional game developer. Valve and Bathesda certainly disagree. Which games did you release that come close to Dota2, Doom, and Wolfenstein 2?
[15:54] Autechre: cue this guy going on about "I did many AAA games back 10-20 years ago"
[15:54] Autechre: "blablabla"
[15:54] Autechre: reliving old glory
[15:54] Autechre: LOL
[arbee37 response to KugelKurt: 'I don't like to talk about my day job, but I'll state that games I've worked on have sold well over 40 million copies across 16 platforms'. - retroarchleaks]
[...but it took only twenty hours for Squarepusher/twinaphex to notice that he was caught red-handed:
Wednesday, 2018-10-03
15:25 <Autechre> mamedev is saying we violated their license
15:25 <Autechre> https://gbatemp.net/threads/team-xecuter-attempted-to-bribe-retronx-developers.519756/page-23#post-8316271
15:25 <Autechre> this dude is a complete idiot
15:25 <Autechre> ```
We tried to explain how they were violating our license, even though they thought they had a clever loophole for the licensing issue. Either they didn't understand plain english or it was a lie. We could never figure it out, any discussions just disintegrated as they just got angry and really hateful.
In the end we re-licensed because our old license didn't protect us from them unless we sued them, but it prevented us from doing things we'd like to do. The situation taught us important lessons.
There is also the unresolved matter of the unauthorised use of trademark.
```
15:26 <Autechre> this is completely false and a lie
15:26 <Autechre> there was never a' license violation'
15:26 <Autechre> how can there be if MAME is GPL/BSD?
15:28 <Autechre> ```
There is also the unresolved matter of the unauthorised use of trademark.
```
15:29 <Autechre> you know what
15:29 <Autechre> let's do it
15:29 <Autechre> let's rename it
15:29 <Autechre> this is the final straw
15:29 <radius> uhhh
15:29 <radius> it's tru
15:29 <radius> true
15:29 <Autechre> WHAT is true?
15:29 <radius> we violate the non-comm license on **all static platforms**
15:29 <Autechre> Dude don't go saying this bullshit on public channels
15:29 <radius> but you're talking about it here?
[Deleted] <radius>, 'we violate the non-comm license on **all static platforms**'
15:29 <radius> do as I say not as I do?
[Deleted] <radius>, 'uhhh'
[Deleted] <radius>, 'it's tru'
[Deleted] <radius>, 'true'
15:30 <Autechre> this is complete fucking bullshit you pulled now
15:30 <radius> I said I don't care you keep dragging me into it
15:30 <Autechre> they never, ever changed their license
15:30 <Autechre> because of us
15:30 <Autechre> that is complete bullshit
15:30 <radius> what?
15:30 <Autechre> they changed their license because they wanted to monetize MAME
15:30 <Autechre> which they have not been particularly successful at
15:31 <radius> all the old mames are licensed under MAME license which is fundamentally incompatible with RA's license (GPL3)
15:31 <Autechre> hence all the hatred
15:31 <Autechre> @radius you don't have to use them
15:31 <Autechre> and they have revoked their own license anywa
15:31 <radius> you can't revoke licenses on old code
15:31 <radius> only going forward
15:31 <radius> anyway
15:31 <radius> as I said
15:31 <radius> I don't want to do anything with this stop dragging me into the argument
[Deleted] <Autechre>, 'mamedev is saying we violated their license'
15:32 <Autechre> I'm going to scrub the argument then
15:33 <hunterk> i wouldn't bother renaming it unless/until they send a C&D
15:34 <hunterk> otherwise, you'll just start another fight over trying to steal their thunder
15:34 <hunterk> at least if they send the C&D, you can post it and say "this is why we're doing it"
[16 messages deleted - retroarchleaks]
15:35 <hunterk> down the memory hole!
[Deleted] <hunterk>, 'down the memory hole!'
[OK, MAME licensing IS complicated - older versions were under MAME non-commercial, newer are a mix of GPL/BSD. But, radius get it right, old license is STILL in effect for those older versions, which RetroArch still redistribute, and, when statically compiled with RetroArch (which is GPL) result binary is breaking both licenses - retroarchleaks]
[Month later this topic resurfaced on 4chan, with another example of breaking MAME license. But, I will start with Squarepusher/twinaphex opinion about /emugen/ - place where he spent last five years venting his autism - retroarchleaks]
'* Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer.
* Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution.'
Copyright notice (credits) is mandatory in BSD license. (link)]
[Flyinghead added license and copyright info next day, without autistic drama - retroarchleaks]
